No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval »
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US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week. Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.
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Obaku1 year, 3 months ago
Pure fascism, by any definition.
Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism.
"1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one's group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign `contamination.
Fascism is also typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic; in the examples given, by way of a strong, single-party government for enacting laws and a strong, sometimes brutal militia or police force for enforcing them
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Aidenag1 year, 3 months ago
WOW this is disturbing. I cannot believe this is not getting more attention. This should frighten any corporation that uses lots of workers and goes through them fairly quickly. Heck, even the mom and pop run business will be hurt by this.
This is a no win situation for Citizens and just another way to waste our tax dollars.
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ABANOCLA1 year, 3 months ago
Well I can't see the DHS processing all this in a timely manner, but if they could, and only legal folks can get the approval and the card to be able to work,,THEN WHY do we need any of the rest of the bill, illegals won't get the card, can't work, no jobs, and they can go home, where ever that may be.I think it might be a win situation,if it worked, just say no to amnesty or whatever they call it.
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JackofallChems1 year, 3 months ago
Mussolini was either lying or he couldn't have defined socialism to save his life. If you have a collectivistic societal model, and the money and/or other benefits of society are transfered to the government and then used to keep a 'ruling class' in power, there's simply no substantial difference between that and socialism. About the only differences you can come up with are:
1) Exactly which aspects of society are monopolized under government authority and what cosmetic nonsense is written into the associated confiscation laws to attempt to placate the victims of the confiscation. (communists confiscated land and claimed it was 'for the common good', Nazis made it illegal to do anything with your land without government permission and then claimed people still 'owned' their land)
2) How much money is given to the poor as bribes for political support vs. how much is spent on cheap swindles to get support out of the poor anyway.
Try reality sometime, Mussolini never did.
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
JackofallChems:(communists confiscated land and claimed it was 'for the common good', Nazis made it illegal to do anything with your land without government permission and then claimed people still 'owned' their land)
That is exactly what DemLib socialist neo commies and other one worlders(like GW and Gore,unfortunately)are doing all over the US...envirowhackos are buying up land or forcing the US or State Governments to do so and in some cases it is being done by declaring vast parts of the US ecological reserves or UN World Heritage Sites...and massive influence by NGO's...etc...International Biological Program(IBP), The Committee for the Conservation of Terrestrial Communities (IBP-CT), HabitatNet International Biodiversity Symposium for Youth, the World Network of Biosphere Reserves, under the Man and the Biosphere (MAB) Programme of the United Nations Scientific, Educational and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/land/mapmabwh.htm
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MiraJane1 year, 3 months ago
nope. actually, one does not need a Soc. Sec. number to work in the USA. yes, it is true. it has been challenged by some for religious reasons and they have won the right not to have Soc. Sec. numbers.
There are other documents besides Birth certificate and Soc. Sec. card that are acceptable. Don't let an ignorant employer tell you only those are acceptable.
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libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
"Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism."
Funny, but Mussolini was a socialist, Nazis were National Socialists as well as Franco. So, it appears you have a quite misleading definition. I would not be surprised if Mussolini never said any such thing.
Considering Democrats run congress, it's not surprising you would find it to be fascist in nature. The bill was passed last week, after all. Yet more bad democrat legislation. Hopefully, Bush will veto it.
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dwemm1 year, 3 months ago
The "National" in "National Socialist" is the giveaway to the real ideals held by the group-only people "like us" get "socialized," everyone else is excluded in one way or another. Can't get work, can't cross borders, can't live anywhere but in a camp. Like Cubans today and Japanese people during WWII.
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BravoSierra1 year, 3 months ago
We implement the same policies as the Soviet Union had in place more and more. This is very disturbing and very prone to abuses of power. Anyone in the right position can introduce business rules into the computer systems that deny people life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness based on any whim or fascistic value system. Constitutional protections of our rights are greatly at risk. Folks, it's time to go read Farenheit 451 again and Brave New World if you don't understand where they are taking us.
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Ecotec1 year, 3 months ago
Who's to say that mistakes such as a the case of a Canadian citizen being detained and put on the no-fly list for unfounded suspicions wont be made in this case. Innocent people could be mixed up by officials or be refused the right to work on suspicions that are unfounded thus ruining someones life.
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el-jefe1 year, 3 months ago
Haven't they been trying to implement something very similar to Real ID in the UK now for the last couple of years? Almost every security expert there who doesn't work for the government has reviewed the implications and concluded that passage would be a field day for identity thieves. I mean, if the ID has "your" fingerprints, then it MUST have been you who ordered those diamond-studded shoes, right?
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
Only those doing nothing make no mistakes. The alternative to controlling who is entering the country and who is getting jobs is allowing ANYONE to enter the country and get a job including terrorists and Millions of uneducated poor people that will fill American cities begging, demanding and then stealing and robbing money and goods to feed themselves and their families.
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DoseASpinoza1 year, 3 months ago
There is a system in place that encodes biometric data into guest worker cards to match the workers to their IDs.
The border patrol does not use it because it would make the lines to get into the country too long. I'm not making this up, articles about it have been posted on Netscape.
That's the real reason this bill and the Real ID are a load of crap. Criminals would figure out how to get around it and regular folks would just get bogged down.
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BravoSierra1 year, 3 months ago
Mistakes like this will be made all the time. They already are. The algorithms in the computer systems are very, very innacurate. The IT geeks making fortunes putting these systems in place paint a pretty picture. The truth is, they aren't that good at executing the code and the statasticians aren't that accurate in creating the altorithms.
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protoham1 year, 3 months ago
You know, we already have a law on the books that says you have to prove your legal status to be employed. And you have to give your employer your Social Security Number. Because it is a law, doesn't make it happen. Just ask the Gov of NJ, they have a law that says you have to have your seat belt on, well he didn't.
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
Maybe, it makes sense to have a federal database of picture ID, matching fingerprints and other identifying information for EVERY US resident as well as every person entering the US. This will make it easy and straightforward for employers and others needing this information to verify that the individual claiming that he is the John/Jane Doe actually is him or her. In addition, it will make the job of law inforcement organizations much easier, wouldn't it?
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NelsonR1 year, 3 months ago
You know, why read any bill originating from D.C. and our elected power elitist representatives. From Pork to caving into others to stay in power. Who the hell represents you? The answer is stark and obvious, nobody. No bill passed by Congress benefits Americans except the few the attachments that are added to he new laws benefit.
Every incumbent MUST be voted out. A clean slate would be refresing. I say again, Vote out every Republican and Democrat that is now in power and who lies to you each and every day about conditions governing your life.
Can we do worse than what we now have?
Lobbyist and the corporate elite along with the so called advocates who proclaim their party, Democrat/Republican are looking for something for free on the backs of the average American taxpayer. Rid ourselves of these vermin for now or at least until corruption again takes over our government.
Extreme change is good for any governing body, even our forefathers thought so.
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
In my case, I have a Democrat Congressman due to massively gerrymandered disctrict that includes and entire county full of nothing but farms and illegal alien farm workers and a sliver of San Diego county from there to the coast along the border with Mexico and two Democrat Senators from the SF Bay Area who definitely do not represent San Diego people.....we have sent out a petition to divide California into at least three states, maybe four, in order to get the proper Senate representation for the massive population.......
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geoffinak1 year, 3 months ago
It will take extreme change. Vote for people who are not elected by 30 second sound bites. They should have to do a half page position paper every week, no soft money, only the donations of the people. Soft money, that is money that is donated to a political party and the political party runs ads that push their idiots candidates point of view. Sneaky money and no limits, trips, booze, girls, whatever your favorite candy. They provide it.
Live debates, a couple every week, real debates all over the country, televised, with no questions off limits.. Regular people need to get involved and fill these political offices.
From your city and county seats, to state and Federal office. Anybody cheating in Govt. the should get life in prision. It;sbreaking the ultimate trust.
You can't trust people who win or are the predicted winners based on the money they have raised. We are out of touch with the politicians. We never see them and if we do it's a camera sound bite. Clean house
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el-jefe1 year, 3 months ago
I live in a solidly Republican district that was redistricted between the last two elections. The incumbent resigned due to pending criminal charges (he denies any wrongdoing, but resigned to "fight the charges" just the same). The resignation took place AFTER he won the primary, but several months before the general election. By law, he couldn't be replaced on the ballot. So a Democrat ran in the fall without any opposition on the ballot. Off the ballot, another Republican (not connected with the scandal in any way) ran as a write-in candidate and nearly beat him!
So my district is now represented by a Democrat who was outpolled by the same Republican he defeated for office...I guess people were smart enough to indicate their choice when contacted by a poller, but not smart enough to figure out how to cast a write-in vote.
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disraeli1 year, 3 months ago
Little by little the police state's tentacles are getting into every aspect of daily life.
The freedoms and liberties that were paid for by the blood of previous generations, then taken for granted by subsequent generations are now being quietly and meekly surrendered by this generation at the behest of a madman who has piggybacked his dictatorial desires onto the ever so convenient destuction of the world trade center.
The madness of King George redux, the first case saw the birth of the United States, if left to continue the second outbreak will see the end of the United States.
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
Actually most of this stuff comes from the Clintoon Regime and Ted Kennedy....even the WTC was a Clintoon scheme gone wrong.....
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el-jefe1 year, 3 months ago
Republicans were incensed about this SAME kind of stuff under the Clinton administration. The only thing that changes when we change the political party of the guy at the top is which group gets screwed.
When the Democrats are in power, they don't care about the rights they take away from conservative groups.
When the Republicans are in power, they don't care about the rights they take away from liberal groups.
The result is that we keep seesawing back and forth, and every time we do, we keep losing more precious liberty without gaining any real security. For that matter, we're losing a civil society in the process, and that's a damned shame.
I just want to know, when are people going to start voting to preserve essential liberty, instead of just voting for somone who claims to support "their" ideas?
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
Can you step down from your podium for a moment and tell us about the concrete freedoms and liberties that were taken away from you?
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
The fact that this atrocity of an immigration policy is bipartisan is unbelievable. I can see nothing good in it. At least with the Patriot Act they were PRETENDING to try to solve something and make the country more secure. This endorsement of the dry foot immigration policy is absolutely insane.
Nelson, once again, scary as this must be to you, I'm in agreement. Get rid of ALL the incumbents. And find the Presidential candidate who's furthest out of the loop.
It's our only hope.
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DoseASpinoza1 year, 3 months ago
We'll see how bipartisan it is when they get back from vacation.
This was cooked up by a dozen senators meeting in a back room with Bush. There has been no debate on the floor, nothing that anyone has to put his or her name to. Frankly we should be much more upset about this circumvention of the American system, and less surprised about the kind of "policy" it generates.
It will be very interesting to see what comes out in the debates as amendments get laid on this turkey.
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ewpaul531 year, 3 months ago
Unfortunately you reap what you sow. Rights are dependent on responsibility, and as men become less responsible they lose their rights. Americans have long viewed liberty as license and now it is payday.
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geoffinak1 year, 3 months ago
I think you have been right on most of the posts.The majority of Americans are lazy, uneducated, and do not understand how the govt. works for them. As long as the politicians keep saying freedoom and terroists, the stupid majority will give up all the rights. We have already lost with PAT 2. People are starting to wake up
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Herman Goring Nazi Party Leader
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 3 months ago
I have lived in poor inner city neighborhoods.
The underground economy is critical to the survival of many.
Taxis would not come so people used "Hacks"
Speak-easy's still exist $1 will buy a cold beer.
There are stores that open packages and sell cookies for a penny.
Miss Anna would deliver a platter of the best food you can imagine. $3.00
If someone was tapped a trade was easy.
All of this activity is "illegal".
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
It is not for the best. It is what Ted Kennedy ahs been working towards since 1965. Anything that Ted works for is bad for America......and if GW agrees with him, look out....
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
We already ahve to file a form to prove we can legally work in the U.S. Is this really knew???
It is to people who haven't changed jobs since 1987 or haven't had a real fulltime job like collage kids. I-9 is nothing new.
Of course all this could be avoided if we just enforce EXISTING laws.
Questions,
1. if they haven't enforced the old laws why should we expect them to enforce the new laws?
2. If the illegal aliens didn't bother to follow our old immigration laws why would they follow any new laws?
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jenorth1 year, 3 months ago
Every Congressman and senator, that is aware of the immigration problems that currentlyas well as previously existed within this country has the obligation to fix the problem. Not create new ones.
The previous corrective action gave all illegals more rights than the average american citizen. These new rules expand on that, and make it even worse for all americans.
I think every member who votes yes on this new bill should be impeached by the american public for violating our own federal laws.
If Congressional members can legally break the law any time they want, then whaat's the point of having the laws in the first place ?
You can't write laws and change them to benefit one group of people just because you want too.
If they allow this massive illegal immigraation policy to continue, then it's only fair that open our borders to EVERYONE. What kind of example are they showing the world.
We let in millions of mexicans, but limit immigration to every other country in the world.
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jenorth1 year, 3 months ago
Why don't we just annex mexico, and make it state number 51.
They cross our borders as often as they want too anyway.
We can't close the border unless someone pays for it. SO, all LEGAL americans are paying to build fences that don't exist, to keep out people that the government says we really need.
I suppose it's OK to allow in excess of 20 million illegals have our jobs over the past 10 years or more, just because WE don't want them. Hey, we don't want them for less than or for minimum wage.. How in god's name can you live on wages like that, especially when it's scooped up to pay your federal , state, medicaid, medicare, and or local taxes.
I'm sorry, I don't want to live in a house with 10 of my relatives so I can afford to eat, drive, and have a roof over my head.
I hate to tell you this, but machines can do most of the work that the illegals do on farms.
Why hire an american, when you can get 5 illegals to do the work in their place.
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
We actually had control of Mexico all the way to Mexico City once. Our Generals took one look around, and gave it back.....
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Gangrene1 year, 3 months ago
I agree, it's tough living on minimum wage.
The government has it's grubby little hands in everyone's pockets.
We're being taxed to work, taxed to buy, taxed to drive, taxed to live in a house. We're being taxed into poverty as a nation, and WE'RE the ones working to keep this country moving forward. Not those air bags in DC, all they're concerned with is lining their pockets as fast as they can with as much money as they can.
Since we're the ones keeping this country going providing basic necessities, isn't it about time we were paid by the government? I mean without us where would their money come from?
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
One, two, three, four...
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)
Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I'm the taxman,
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I'm the taxman,
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
(if you drive a car, car;) - I'll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) - I'll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) - I'll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) - I'll tax your feet.
Taxman!
'Cause I'm the taxman,
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
'Cause I'm the taxman,
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
'Cause I'm the taxman,
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
And you're working for no one but me.
Taxman!
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